Big Task! 16 to sex!
-
- Groupie
- Posts: 29
- Joined: Mon Nov 21, 2005 12:21 am
- Contact:
Big Task! 16 to sex!
My eyes are bugging out trying to sex these guys. Hoping for some help with a fresh perspective. The first pic shows fish 3/4-1 1/4". the second and third show fish 1 3/4" and up. Water is a little tinted from tannins.
[/img]
thanks in advance
[/img]
thanks in advance
I could guess nr 13 as a female and nr 16 as a male. Part from that.. like fishboy said, give them a few months to grow and it will be easier to tell
usually you can tell by their behaviour. The ones occupying and defending a cave would be males, the ones wandering about more, or finding a hiding spot not suitable for spawning would be females.
usually you can tell by their behaviour. The ones occupying and defending a cave would be males, the ones wandering about more, or finding a hiding spot not suitable for spawning would be females.
-
- Groupie
- Posts: 29
- Joined: Mon Nov 21, 2005 12:21 am
- Contact:
-
- Groupie
- Posts: 29
- Joined: Mon Nov 21, 2005 12:21 am
- Contact:
Debate is always good That's the only way we can learn. There's at least three theories about the cause if snubnoses.
Did you read this thread?
http://www.zebrapleco.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=293&h
Did you read this thread?
http://www.zebrapleco.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=293&h
-
- Groupie
- Posts: 29
- Joined: Mon Nov 21, 2005 12:21 am
- Contact:
Definitely still just opinion, but I too think there will be no danger from breeding fish that are pretty obviously just injured. I kept my fry that were injured and I'm growing them out. Give me a couple years and I'll tell you whether they throw normal or fry like them when spawned together .
Barbie
Barbie
[url=http://www.plecos.com][img]http://plecos.com/plecosbanner.gif[/img][/url]
-
- Groupie
- Posts: 29
- Joined: Mon Nov 21, 2005 12:21 am
- Contact:
Ok.. now for my pennies worth
11- male
13 - female
16 - male
On the subject of snub noses, the jury is still out on this one with myself.
On the side of caution I would suggest that unless an individual was willing to treat breeding snub-noses as an experiment, and prepare themselves for a possible "good" or "Bad" result it woudl be best to stear clear. I only air these views on the side of caution due to the lack of info available at present.
As barbie said it could be nothing to do with genetics, but until we know, and with the prospect of a very limited gene pool in the future, is it , at this point in time, worht the risk.
11- male
13 - female
16 - male
On the subject of snub noses, the jury is still out on this one with myself.
On the side of caution I would suggest that unless an individual was willing to treat breeding snub-noses as an experiment, and prepare themselves for a possible "good" or "Bad" result it woudl be best to stear clear. I only air these views on the side of caution due to the lack of info available at present.
As barbie said it could be nothing to do with genetics, but until we know, and with the prospect of a very limited gene pool in the future, is it , at this point in time, worht the risk.
The perfect white lie..."Of course I didn't pay that much for the fish honey"
It seeems to me that no matter what species you want to breed, wether it be dog, cat, horse or fish, you always pick the best looking, most beautiful; the individual with the most typical traits for the particular species to include in your breeding program.
Ask a breeder of fine Discus if he would include an underdeveloped Discus in his breeding program (which would be an enviromental damage). I'm guessing the answer would be no, as he would want the best looking, strongest and healthiest speciments in his breeding program.
You don't breed the runt of the litter, and you don't breed the speciment with deformities, no matter what the cause is, especially if you don't know the cause of the deformity.
Ask Betta breeders if they would breed anything less than an as close to perfect speciement as possible.
To me it it's not an option to breed any fish that is deformed. I'm sorry and concerned to see that it seems to be considered ok to include a deformed fish in a breeding program. We do not know what is causing the deformity, but then again - does it matter what is causing it? Isn't it an obious choise to go for the most typical and beautiful individuals, and breed them rather than the deformed ones?
Yes, it's ok to breed a horse that had it's leg broken but was a particularily beautiful speciment before thie accident (and the owner spendt time and effort to save the horse because this happend), because then you know it wasn't born limp, or with a broken bone. What if it was born limp? would you breed it?
I'm sorry about the long posting, I just don't feel it's right to breed the fish "as long as it's got stripes". We do not know what is causing the deformity, but the fact remains that it *is* a deformed fish. Therefor it shouldn't be included in a breeding program, IMO.
I can see the need for trying to breed two snubnoses to try and find out what the cause is, but I think it should be done under controlled conditions, by an experienced breeder. In my opinion it's far to early to say "it's ok, it doesn't affect breeding, so everybody go for it"
We *do not know* what is causing it, so I get the feeling we're playing with fire when not taking this issue seriously.
Ask a breeder of fine Discus if he would include an underdeveloped Discus in his breeding program (which would be an enviromental damage). I'm guessing the answer would be no, as he would want the best looking, strongest and healthiest speciments in his breeding program.
You don't breed the runt of the litter, and you don't breed the speciment with deformities, no matter what the cause is, especially if you don't know the cause of the deformity.
Ask Betta breeders if they would breed anything less than an as close to perfect speciement as possible.
To me it it's not an option to breed any fish that is deformed. I'm sorry and concerned to see that it seems to be considered ok to include a deformed fish in a breeding program. We do not know what is causing the deformity, but then again - does it matter what is causing it? Isn't it an obious choise to go for the most typical and beautiful individuals, and breed them rather than the deformed ones?
Yes, it's ok to breed a horse that had it's leg broken but was a particularily beautiful speciment before thie accident (and the owner spendt time and effort to save the horse because this happend), because then you know it wasn't born limp, or with a broken bone. What if it was born limp? would you breed it?
I'm sorry about the long posting, I just don't feel it's right to breed the fish "as long as it's got stripes". We do not know what is causing the deformity, but the fact remains that it *is* a deformed fish. Therefor it shouldn't be included in a breeding program, IMO.
I can see the need for trying to breed two snubnoses to try and find out what the cause is, but I think it should be done under controlled conditions, by an experienced breeder. In my opinion it's far to early to say "it's ok, it doesn't affect breeding, so everybody go for it"
We *do not know* what is causing it, so I get the feeling we're playing with fire when not taking this issue seriously.