Hi,

these are L399 or L400.

Sven

Hi,

one thing I forgot to say:

Those cross-bred plecos were made purposeless. The keepers of those plecos don't give them away to others to avoid their diffusion.

Hybrids won't be recognized by DATZ or anyone anytime soon, IMO

Hybridization is a very interesting topic and very important for ...

Hi,

I don'tknow were they wantto publish (if they even want!). I will ask them.

Sven

Hi,

Wouldn't that imply that these are simply variants of the same species?

we don't know yet. Seidel thinks that the reason for these crossbreeds are that the species are very young and the development of these species isn't complete yet.

We don't call them hybrids because they are fertile ...

Hi,

in Germany are crossbreeds known from

L28 x L129
L46 x L260
L66 x ? (I forgot the other part!)
L333 x ?

The crossbreeds are fertile! This is because the species seem to be very young.

Sven

Hi,

grettonman wrote:Does it cover up to l399 / 400

no!

Sven

Hi Raul,

because of the cookies on my PC I don't have this problem. I think others want to see the picture too, so it is ok to post it here.

Please try to follow this link: http://l-welse.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10770

Sven

Hi,

breeding them works like breeding L46. Only the caves have to be a bit taller and longer.

BTW, a member from l-welse.com showed us this picture:

http://l-welse.com/forum/attachment.php ... entid=2126

Most members of l-welse.com think that THIS is really a L236.

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Hi Raul,

yes, I did.

Here you can see some pictures of the juveniles:





Sven

Hi Raul,

I heard this a characteristic of male L400's, but she isn't hairy at all. :shock:

it is not (yet) possible to difference sexes on the pattern and the colouration. I had about 50 of them in my hands. There are some differences in pattern but I don't know yet how to describe them and this ...

Hi,

here you can see one of my adult L400. The colour variates. When they are stressed they look grey - when they feel good the colour is more white. The pleco was very stressed at this photo.



Sven

Hi,

Thanks everyone. If the L399/L400 are more attractive than the L236; then is that picture of it on http://l-welse.com mistakenly identified?

I wouldn't say that in this way. Of course the L236 shown on l-welse.com from A.Werner is one of the greatest looking plecos we have ever seen. It is ...

Hi,

I never saw a Hypancistrus eating a fry.

Sven

Hi Kenneth,

no, I made no picture of it. There were too much other really interesting fish. I don't know if it was one ... I just saw a part of this pleco. I think when Ingo says that it is one it will be true! A picture of this you can see in Wels-Atlas II S. 593 Abb.3.

Sven

Hi,

regarding this picture it is not possible to say something. If you would force me to guess I would say it is a juvenile L399 or L400.

99,9% of the sold L236 are L399/L400.

Some weeks ago I visited Ingo Seidel. There I saw my first L236 in real ... but I was very disappointed about the ...