Crossbreeds...

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Anyone ever wondered what a cross between L46 and L260 would look like?

I would never attempt it... I am a believer of pure bred lines, but you must admit the thought is intruiging. It should be possible because they are so closely matched. I have some L260 and while researching their habitat it dawned on me that a possibility of this crossbreed could in fact be the L333 and L66 (so called poor man's zebra LOL :lol: :lol: just a joke by the way, please don't get offended if you have L333 or L66). Am I crazy? Or could there be some crossing going on in the wild?

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Hi Bader,

I too have had that thought cross my mind but would they cross breed in the wild or in captivity for that matter? Who knows? It would be interesting to find out though.

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As hybrids would the offspring not be sterile though?
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Alistair wrote:As hybrids would the offspring not be sterile though?
not all hybrids are sterile. Wolf and dog for instance, but there are several other examples.

Personally I would get rid of any eksperimenting with crossbreeding different Hypancistrus as therer already is enough confusion around properly classifying and identifying catfish in general as it is.

Several fish are kept from crossing in nature by having different habitats only, while others are genetecially too different to crossbreed. The latter is often the cause if the fish share the same habitat. Looks like nature figured it didn't need to have genetic barriers if the fish don't live in the same place - only nature didn't take into account what people are capable of ;)
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I totally agree with the notion that it is unwise to hybridise... But curiosity killed the cat in my case...

I just had to ask... I have a beautiful example of an L260 and wondered for a long time what a combo of the 2 varieties would look like.

And aren't they the same anyway?

I must stress that I wouldnt do this under any circumstances (before i get lynched LOL :lol: ).
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I would have to certainly agree with McEve as there are numerous hybrid species that are quite sterile. I am a fan of both pure and mixed species as I have both types of specimens of cichlid categories in my home aquariums. Again, I am not one to set them out into the public domain and rather keep them at home and not sell them off as pure species. I keep pure species of plecos at home because I strongly believe that these specimens are much prettier left untouched. As far as the cichlid categories, I currently keep a few Flowerhorns that are the latest thing in the international market and have bred for me over time. And as a breeder of these specimens I tend to cull them over time to my bigger more aggressive cichlid species.

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The hunt for Red October is over...

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That was almost certain to happen eventually. Seeing that the hybrid species came from the Hypan. Species family. There are numerous Japanese sites that carry the hybrid specimens on hand.
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Here's an account of what happened.

http://www.scotcat.com/articles/article70.htm

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Post by madmoroccan »

Thanks for the article ADAM.

Are there any more documented occurences of crossbreeding in captivity that anyone knows of?

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Hi,

in Germany are crossbreeds known from

L28 x L129
L46 x L260
L66 x ? (I forgot the other part!)
L333 x ?

The crossbreeds are fertile! This is because the species seem to be very young.

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Separate species?

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Do these hybrids truly count in a biological sense as separate species since they breed and remain fertile? Wouldn't that imply that these are simply variants of the same species?
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I am not surprised about most of those combos Sven...

Do you have any links?
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Hi,
Andyt. wrote:Wouldn't that imply that these are simply variants of the same species?
we don't know yet. Seidel thinks that the reason for these crossbreeds are that the species are very young and the development of these species isn't complete yet.

We don't call them hybrids because they are fertile.
Do you have any links?
No. I thinkthe owners are waiting for publishing them in a magazine. I just saw some photos of these (not on the internet!).

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Post by madmoroccan »

Are they going to be published in DATZ? If not... Do you know the name of the publication? The L46 x L260 combo sounds intruiging... this has been asked many times here... Although I don't advocate these "experiments", I am extremely intrested.

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