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				Raoul's Zebras
				Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 10:45 pm
				by rjoemman
				Hi there,
Today I bought two Hypancistrus Zebra’s. They are now 6 cm.
Can you please tell me if it is the L046 for sure or maybe it is the L098 or the L173.
And do you now the sex, is it male or female?
Best regards
Raoul 
Here they are:
The two together:
 
The first one:
 
 
 
The second one
 
Here one of them in my tank:
 

 
			
					
				
				Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 10:57 pm
				by Dr. P
				Both L46  

  Nice couple of fish too. The second one is a little grey but I would put this down to the stress of being transported and sitting on some doods hand for a photo  
 
 
Welcome aboard!  

 
			
					
				
				Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 11:17 pm
				by jeroentje
				I would say the first one is a male,
en the second a female.
second zebra,

 
			
					
				
				Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 11:27 pm
				by McEve
				First one male, second one I'm more unsure of. How large is it?
Oh, and yes - both L046 

 
			
					
				
				Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 11:28 pm
				by jeroentje
				McEve wrote:First one male, second one I'm more unsure of. How large is it?
Oh, and yes - both L046 

 
his zebra's are both 6 cm
 
			
					
				
				Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 11:31 pm
				by rjoemman
				Yes they are both 6 cm.
And what do you say about the Heart Pattern on the back of the right one?
Regards
Raoul
			 
			
					
				
				Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 8:49 am
				by Tom Kvitnes
				First one is definatly male.
Second one i would guess female, but a brighter closeup pick from above would make it easier to say.
Nice looking fish 
 
Regards
Tom
 
			
					
				
				Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 8:53 am
				by Rob
				Hi Raoul
I would also say fist one is a male, also not to sure about the second, but if Ihad to guess I would say a younger male.  There isn't much of a sign of odontodes on the gill plates however, but these could have been lost due to stress and transit.
regards
Rob
			 
			
					
				
				Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 8:43 pm
				by Des
				Hi rjoemman,
Welcome to the forum.
The first one is a MALE
The second one, at first glance ,I would say is a female from looking at the body shape.The Cheek odontodes look as if they have been badly damaged in a fight. This normally happens to MALES. The spikes/odontodes on the leading pectoral fin are not clear on your photo. Like someone else said, Another photo from the other side,showing the front  half of the fish showing cheek whiskers and pectoral fin clearly, together with an overhead of the whole fish, might be useful.To end , i would say that i am unsure of the sex of this fish.
To have a heart shape pattern on the back of the zebra is pretty rare, For now, 4 different members have one each, including myself.
Regards,
Des.
			 
			
					
				
				Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 10:26 pm
				by rjoemman
				Oke here is the zebra with the love-heart print again.
Now from the other side. I can not make sharp closer pictures with my camera, so I hope these are enough to see the sex of this zebra.
 
 

 
			
					
				
				Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 8:11 am
				by rjoemman
				
			 
			
					
				
				Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 8:42 pm
				by Des
				Rjoemman,
Sorry but cannot be certain as to its sex as the cheek odontodes on the other side are also missing/damaged. Give it a few weeks/months to recover.
Holding a zebra in your hand (out of water) while taking a photograph is not something I or anyone else, would recommend. This causes them undue stress. It would be better off, in a container with some tank water or else held by a net against the front glass in the tank, or even in a fry container floating in the tank.
Des.