Anyone else heard they found some L-046 in Peru?

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Anyone else heard they found some L-046 in Peru?

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Someone is telling me his zebras are wild caught and when I questioned him further he said "they" (don't know who) found some in Peru and that the Rio Xingu was not the only source. Hmmmm.

Is someone pulling my leg? I've not heard from anyone else they zebras were found in the wild in Peru.

I don't know about this one. Any one else heard of Peruvian Zebra's?
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Just an insane theory... could someone have released them into Peru? I say inane because who would but maybe the zebra plecos will start a population there...
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Interesting theory you’ve got there but quite doubtful. If some one wanted to re-locate and colonize zebra plecos to another area we probably would have heard of a capture and release program. They wouldn’t just do it for zebra plecos either. Daily more and more of the Amazon basin is being destroyed with it thousands of creatures large and small.

The following from http://www.savetherainforest.org.

. . . "there are more fish species in the Amazon river system than in the entire Atlantic Ocean." Wow, I didn’t know that one.

They also say: ”If you are thinking 1 year ahead, sow seeds. If you are thinking 10 years ahead, plant a tree. If you are thinking 100 years ahead, educate the people.”
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year i read somewhere... that their is on Saltwater fish in every 15miles squared of sea water and 1 freshes in every 5! i mean theirs schools of fish but 1 fish could have that space if required!

Found this about BRAZIL!

International — An area twice the size of Belgium has been given greater protection in the Amazon after a Presidential decree. This is around the same area of the Amazon that was lost to deforestation over the past three years.

The decree by President Lula of Brazil to create the 6.4 million hectare (around 16 million acres) conservation area is a great victory for the people of the Amazon battling landgrabbers, cattle ranchers and loggers. The decree calls for around 1.6 million hectares to be permanently protected and totally off limits to logging and deforestation.

Another 2.8 million hectares will be used for sustainable logging concessions to prevent deforestation and ensure well-managed forests. Development guidelines will be improved in an additional 2 million hectares of forest.

Whilst the 6.4 million hectares is a victory for many communities in the Amazon, it still represents less than two percent of the total Brazilian Amazon. An area one-third the size of the new conservation area is lost every year in the Amazon to logging, soy plantations and cattle ranchers.

"This is a great step towards the protection and sustainable use of the world's last ancient forests but is only a fraction of what is needed. The Amazon and the life it supports is seriously threatened by destructive logging and land clearance to grow crops like soy. We need more initiatives like this to save the world's last ancient forests," said Paulo Adário, forest campaign co-ordinator for Greenpeace Brazil.

The new conservation areas will be created in a crucial part of the Amazon alongside the notorious highway called the BR163. The road cuts through the heart of the Amazon and a promise by the Brazilian Government to pave the road has resulted in accelerated rates of deforestation in the area. Without the increased protection this decree provides, this area would have soon been destroyed for soy plantations and cattle ranches.

Greenpeace activists block a 135-km illegal road, in the National Forest (Flona) of Altamira, a protected area created by the Brazilian Government in 1988. The road cuts directly through the National Forest and is used for illegal logging operations and deforestation inside the protected area.
In the city of Curitiba in southern Brazil, the Convention on Biological Diversity (CBD) will meet in March to work on plans to protect the world's biodiversity from being lost to the world permanently. One of the main aims of the CBD is to create a global network of protected areas that would form the basis for the protection of the world's plants and animals by 2010.

If the goals of the CBD are to be reached, Brazil and many other countries will have to greatly increase the rate of forest protection. The consequences of failing to do so are more than just a broken international treaty. With only 20 percent of the world's original ancient forest still standing, the fate of these forests, the wildlife that lives in them and the millions of people who depend on them everyday for their livelihood is at stake.

Canada recently announced that over two million hectares of the Great Bear Rainforest along the pacific west coast of the country will be protected along with sustainable management for a further four million plus hectares. With Brazil adding another 6.4 million hectares, the global network of protected areas are beginning to fall into place.

However, with around 10 million hectares of forest around the world being destroyed each and every year, there is still much work to be done.
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No i don't mean a repopulating program i mean did a burnout hobbyist release some in Peru. I highly doubt it cause they could sell it for quite a bit but ye never know.
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I'm pretty sure I've seen pics of peruvian zebra's and they're nothing like Rio Xingu zebra's....more of a chocolate colour if I remember rightly.

If I remember rightly there's a topic somewhere on this site with pics of them. You'll have to find it though... 'cos I've got no idea where it is.:D
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I can actually see the connection as most rivers there in South America connect like ductwork. I have heard through my connections there also that some folks are actually finding the L-046s closer to the Iquitos Peru region around the town of Manautus. I will know for sure once my wife travels down there to Arequipa and comes back from her 6-week research project. Will in fact keep you posted as to the actual findings and what she finds out. Will definitely be very interesting to say the least and to see what research has been done on them down there. She is actually researching something totally different but will look into this area for me. :wink:

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I will know for sure once my wife travels down there to Arequipa and comes back from her 6-week research project. Will in fact keep you posted as to the actual findings and what she finds out. Will definitely be very interesting to say the least and to see what research has been done on them down there. She is actually researching something totally different but will look into this area for me. Wink
I was afraid someone may be trying to sneak illegal wild caught zebras by me. I am interested in learning the outcome (Highfive).

I'm pretty sure I've seen pics of peruvian zebra's and they're nothing like Rio Xingu zebra's....more of a chocolate colour if I remember rightly.
Ah, yes, I remember seeing that thread now. I think I'll go look for it. Thanks for the memory jog. (Plastic Mac)
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Then can anyone answer this question, how does Blue (ExoticFinds) get them? It is a question that has been bugging me for quite a while.
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@ Raul...

If we knew that answer we'd all be extremely chuffed. Especially those of us who are actively seeking adult groups.

Still I too am keep to know the answer, anyone?
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One more time, it is NOT illegal to import zebras. Brazil has been allowing limited exports of them for the last 6 months or so through a few wholesalers for "research purposes". I do realize that the large volume of discussion on the matter leads to some misunderstandings that are then perpetuated, but c'mon guys, this has been discussed here before. I love a good energetic, well informed discussion as much as the next person. Lets try to remember to have those here ;).

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Barbie wrote:One more time, it is NOT illegal to import zebras. Brazil has been allowing limited exports of them for the last 6 months or so through a few wholesalers for "research purposes". I do realize that the large volume of discussion on the matter leads to some misunderstandings that are then perpetuated, but c'mon guys, this has been discussed here before. I love a good energetic, well informed discussion as much as the next person. Lets try to remember to have those here ;).

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Then if this is the case, why isn't there a strong push for a group order? Where someone (preferably a trustworthy memeber not interested in striking gold) would be willing to plea with the government for a group of them in the purpose of research; then the people interested can pay that person back (labor cost + license + fish). I mean I would cretaintly favor that over scuming to someone's overpriced-monoply on the species. :wink:

But I'm serious, why hasn't someone done this? And more importantly is someone willing to do this for the sake of the species?
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It's been done. Julie at Frybabies imported some last year. For some reason people assume that the prices they're charging are making them a fortune. First, you have to have contacts with the importers who use the zebras as incentive and rewards to ALLOW the companies to get a box or two along with the rest of their order. You don't just order the rarest fish they can get their hands on and get a box or two unless you're a good customer that buys other things also. It's a huge outlay of cash.

Second, the fish are just that dang expensive to get your hands on. When they arrive they are thin and stressed and you'll have some losses. What it boils down to, is if you want them, you'll pay the price for them. If you can't afford adults you'll have to buy fry and be patient and grow them out. There is no shortcut, there is no way to make this a cheap endeavor. It's just not. If that rankles that badly I'm sorry, but it's just the way it is. not a conspiracy theory. Everyone wants them. I'm sorry there's not a cheap fast solution to the problem. There just isn't at this moment.

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I am also interested to know more about export for research purposes...

Sounds like a good way of obtaining some wild adults.

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Not sure what to tell? That about covers everything, doesn't it?

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