Vitamins

McEve · Post by **McEve** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 4:11 pm

There's a product (or several) that is liquid vitamins, add to the water type of thing.

Is there a point in this? Are the fish able to benefit from it?

dave · Post by **dave** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 4:33 pm

I have no idea, really, but my feelings on this are that if you vary the diet enough no need at all.

Take the case of humans, a varied diet no need for vitamin pills.

Guess just another ploy to make money.

Dave

Andrew C · Post by **Andrew C** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 5:02 pm

If it is a liquid vitamin such as Zoe Freshwater vitamin http://www.aquatics-online.co.uk/Z108254.asp#product688
You either soak the food you are feeding your fish with, each time you feed them, so they get it directly, or better, put it in any homemade food you make.
That way the fish get it directly, and i would not bother putting it in the tank water, can't see the benefit of it that way.

It is meant to have vitamins that fish don't get from food, and used once a week is what i do.

McEve · Post by **McEve** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 5:29 pm

I can see there would be some cases when you need an extra vitamin boost, like we humans do if we catch a cold for example.

Putting them in the shrimpmix is a good idea, but I already do that, only with tablets.

I was just intrigued by if the fish could utilize vitamins in the water. They do have a constant osmosis exchange going on, but still.... Dave might be right that it is just another money maker.

But you use it and see a benefit Andrew?

Andrew C · Post by **Andrew C** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 6:37 pm

If you are already using something simular in your homemade food, i would not bother with it, all you need is a small amount in the food each time.

I do not see any direct benefit, as i also put it in homemade food, but for what it costs and adding a small amount of it each time to the homemade food, to me, it is just like humans taking vitamins in the morning.

It is not a must to use it, though.

McEve · Post by **McEve** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 6:56 pm

I'm not very experienced with diseases and ailments in Zebras, guess I've been lucky after keeping them for 6 years and not had any trouble.

You might remember help skinny teenager?

Now I've got another one (my second best breeding lady) that is loosing bodyweight rapidly. I suspect an internal bacterial infection caused by frozen food that was thawed and then frozen again. These two fish come from the two tanks I fed this particular food. I lost one teenager, almost lost another, and now I have yet another loosing bodyweight. Several of the other teenager aren't growing as they should.

I'm considering using Metronidazol, which I got hold of, but have no idea how much to give and how. It didn't say anywhere on the shipment.

I thought, as I'm really scared of medication this powerful, that I might find a way to make them heal by themselves by giving them optimal conditions, which seems to have slowed the processed down, but not stopped it.

From what I understand this is not contagious, but will only affect the fish that actually ate the contaminated food.

I'm very unsure as what to do. Vitamin boost seemed one way to go, Metronidazol is another, but I don't dare to administer it as long as I don't know how much and how.

I guess..... help - again

I've got Prazipro as well. would that be an option? came with the same shipment but no howto's!

QueenDustBunny · Post by **QueenDustBunny** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 7:11 pm

Entizol, whose active ingredient is metronidazol, can be used for baths at a concentration of 4 mg per litre for 2–3 days. Metronidazol is absorbed via the gills and produces in the blood a therapeutically effective concentration to kill parasitic Flagellata, e.g. the genus Hexamita. The bath is particularly suitable for the treatment of aquarium fishes.

It's pretty far down in the article, but here's the link.

http://www.fao.org/docrep/field/003/AC160E/AC160E04.htm

I wish you the best of luck. Keep us appraised.

Post by **Barbie** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 7:13 pm

Metronidazole is actually a medicine that is hard to overdose with fish. The recommended dosage on the bottles is 250mg/10 US gallons, but I definitely recommend going to 400mg/10 gallons. Also you want to raise the temperature as far as you're comfortable with. Metro was designed for use in humans and is much more effective, the warmer the water is. You can also dose the water and also soak the food in it, for fish that are eating. Metro food is the single most effective way of treating them, but for fish that are no longer eating the meds in the water are definitely a good option. The fact that it has antibiotic properties for internal problems and it could also reduce your parasite and protozoal load would definitely make it the best treatment, IMO.

Hope that helps. If I just confused the issue, tell me where I lost you and I'll try to clear it up.

Barbie

McEve · Post by **McEve** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 7:22 pm

Barbie wrote:Metronidazole is actually a medicine that is hard to overdose with fish. The recommended dosage on the bottles is 250mg/10 US gallons, but I definitely recommend going to 400mg/10 gallons.

Thanks Barbie

The Metronidazol I have on hand is a powder, "bottle" seems to me to indicate a fluid...?

Or, what you're saying is to dissolve the powder in water then add to the tank?

Do you agree that 10 gallons is 37 Liters?

Post by **Barbie** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 11:29 pm

Usually it comes in a powder inside a capsule, so it makes dosing easier. If you don't have access to a scale that you can weigh it, maybe someone has another suggestion? I don't know just how much you can dissolve in just how much water to reach any concentration so I wouldn't recommend that method. I might be able to open a capsule and see just how much of a standard measuring teaspoon that equals? Or find a conversion chart for cooking?

Yes, a gallon is 3.7 liters.

Barbie

Jojoyojimbi · Post by **Jojoyojimbi** » Tue Aug 29, 2006 1:20 am

tried fresh garlic?

Raul-7 · Post by **Raul-7** » Tue Aug 29, 2006 2:15 am

Jojoyojimbi wrote:tried fresh garlic?

I use garlic extract every now and then (good thing you reminded me!), and it helps boost their immunity, get rid of internal parasites and provides them them with needed vitamin C.

Jojoyojimbi · Post by **Jojoyojimbi** » Tue Aug 29, 2006 7:11 am

Raul-7 wrote:
Jojoyojimbi wrote:tried fresh garlic?
I use garlic extract every now and then (good thing you reminded me!), and it helps boost their immunity, get rid of internal parasites and provides them them with needed vitamin C.

That's what I'm here for

McEve · Post by **McEve** » Tue Aug 29, 2006 1:07 pm

Ok, I've started medicatiing with Metronidazole. I use a quarter of a teaspoon and let the food soak in in for 5 minutes before adding to the tank. I will repeat this for 5 days, doing small waterchanges every day.

Temp is 31C 88F

How does that sound?

I feel uneasy, but I'm even more unneasy not doing this.

TomSharland · Post by **TomSharland** » Thu Aug 31, 2006 2:27 pm

Barbie wrote:

Yes, a gallon is 3.7 liters.

Barbie

Or 4.544 litres if your from blighty!

Metronidazole will have an adverse effect on your bio filter (being an antibiotic). Also it is light sensative and will rapidly degrade in the light, so dose with the lights off. If you must dose at all!

Interpet No.9 is good for internal problems, and its relatively gentle to fish and filters.

Over here Metro is a POM (prescription only medicine), usually obtained from the vet, after explaining the fishy situation. (Most vets rely on the experience of hobbyists to help diagnose problems, as fish are an area that vets dont usually specialise in.)

Tom

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