I wouldn't think anything of it but it is just he had a female in there for such a long time thats why i am desperate to find out, but i am trying not to look with a torch as a few members have had tragic consequences with the torch.

I had a little peek inside after i noticed the female had left ( after a 5 days sit in ) and i couldn't see any signs of eggs BUT!! could there be a few and the male is consealing them quite well?

I think it is weird he is right at the back if there is nothing in there any thoughts on this?

3 now! hopefully i brought 2 off him!

I see sadly i have nothing to contribute that would be any worth to anyone,

Except a haircut! lol

I have a digital camera now so i am all set for the next comp

" Wonder what it will be ? "

When a male has a female trapped, is it advisible to do a water change as today is the time i normally do it?

Will it desterb them or not?

I pm'ed you Neo on a price for 3 CB's if u have them avalible

good good! ( now just incase i was wrong about seeing eggs ) is him holding her in the cave for 4/5 days a good sign too?

I am pretty sure i saw the eggs though.

The female left the cave today, and the male was fairly near the front of the cave and i couldn't help myself i had to see if there the eggs were still in there and to my suprise they were gone? does anyone have an idea to why this has happened could this just be the start of the whole process. Can ...

I have eggs in this cave BUT my female is still in there i can see in thats how i know she is all beaten up, all of the other males are accounted for so i know it isn't 2 males in there just a wee bit worried she might get really badly injured.

No, but she is still alive i see she moving ( i had to check i was worried ) there is a few of her stripes sort of missing looks weird? is this a common thing during spawning and a few patches like bite marks on here top/side area and also a few red marks poor cow really getting a beating.

I have noticed my female is very very beaten up is this normal for them to be voilent during spawning? and will see come out of the cave alive?

must be something in the air rob i dont need you to walk in my house any more lol

I cant believe it!!! i have eggs!!!!! lol OMG!! i ws wondering were 2 of the fish were i just assumed they were hiding really well, i checked the cave i know my alpha is ALWAYS in and i saw 2 tails moving so i had a closer look and what did i find EGGS!!!! i am so excited

Is this still sort of a learning curve for them? would they not produce strong young at first or is there another possible cause for the deaths?